PHOTOMATIX HDRI WITH CFV 3F RAW FORMAT

jotloob

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Hello to all digital profs and freaks

A friend of mine sent me an interesting E-mail with the following WEB info :
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I have been reading most pages very carefully , but could not find anything about HASSELBLAD digital (raw) images .

Has anybody out there in the worldwide digital field come across this HDRI software and possibly already worked with it ? ? ?

As far as i understand this software , it can also be used as a kind of digital zonesystem .
It requires , for the best usage , a braketing function in your camera (my 203 , if modified, could do so) , but when used on landscape and stills and other compareable situations , you could also use a camera , like the 203FE with winder or 503CW with winder , or even a careful winding operation on any of your HASSELBLAD models , you can attach a digital back to .
Or even an LF camera , with a back attached .

Is there anybody out there , who has already worked with this , or possibly with an other HDRI technique ? ? ?
 
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Andrewdyer

Hi Jurgen.
I have only just begun to play with Photomatix... and sofar only used it with a couple of processed Nikon RAW files.
It can do a fantastic job in extending the dynamic range of an image.
I haven't tried it yet on my Aptus files but hope to asap. Even though the Aptus and of course the Hassleblad backs capture a greater range than a Nikon or Canon chip, the software can very nicely blend different exposures (or even different "exposures" processed from the same file) to give a rich tone to the image.
To see some great ex&les (usually using Canon files) have a look at the Landscape section of the Naturescapes web forum. Some fantastic images there. Usually the posts will say if an HDR technique was used.
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regards
Andrew
 

jotloob

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Bojan

It's only a virtuel or pseudo full frame . Its just a marketing argument . Nothing else .
Or should we say cheat ? ? ?
and has got nothing to do with PHOTOMATIX HDRI
 

floridarich

New Member
Nick Tresidder (Nickt;

H3D 31 appears impressive, and also appears to be Professional level at $24,000 USD, with tax tack on another $1,500 USD.
 

colin

Member
Bojan,
I guess these marketing bozos call it full frame because it uses all of the sensor!
A 645 DSLR will be "full frame" when a sensor captures an image of 54 X 41 mm and the 21/4" square format cameras, when a sensor records 54 X 54 mm.

In the meantime, it's just so much marketing hype. This from "marketers/manufacturers", who obviously think consumers are stupid.
 

qnu

Banned
Using the words "full frame" is indeed a marketing thing.
Read carefully, and you'll notice that they never say that the sensor is "full frame".
And what is "full frame" is indeed not the sensor (it's as small as the ones in earlier HDs), but the new viewfinder.
It is full frame, because it doesn't show the entire screen image, but only the part the smaller sensor sees. The smaller image fills the viewfinder "full frame"...

Clever? They obviously managed to make people wonder. Consumers may not be stupid, but maybe they don't read very well?
 

fotografz

Active Member
Actually, I'm now not sure what any of this marketing stuff means ... and I think the Hasselblad/Imacon engineers are ahead of the marketing department, or they are not communicating very well.

I just yesterday received my H3D/39 upgrade (sent in my H2D/39 for conversion):

My H2D/39 was a dedicated digital camera, meaning it had a focusing screen with etched framing for the digital sensor area, but showed the full 645 area in the viewfinder ... BUT it could only be used as a digital camera (i.e., no film back would work), nor could the digital back be used on any other camera.

The H3D/39 I received back from Hasselblad is the same camera body with upgraded hardware and firmware; has the same etched frame viewfinder; features a designation as a H3D in the grip LCD with smaller type stating it is a H2D upgrade ... BUT now the back can be used on a view camera !!!! ... AND I can now use a H645 film back on the camera body ( wahoo!) ... which a cropped viewfinder wouldn't allow.

The H3D/39 back appears to be all new, and features new sync ports to connect the back to view camera lenses and to pocket wizards for sync flash. Hasselblad has provided the necessary cables to use for view-camera work & PW sync, and added a new sturdy metal cover for swapping out with a film back or transport with a view camera.

I am ecstatic with this unexpected improvement in versatility over my H2D/39.

My reseller demoed the new features in conjunction with the improved software which his test indicate a wider range of 14 stops now, and the added lens correction ability that works for the new 28mm, the 35mm and the 80mm. his s&le pics were amazing, It really works !!!

The weird thing is that the new 28 is a digital only lens as it (apparently) only covers the sensor area ... that's the only thing one could call "full frame" by a dubious stretch of the meaning. Wonder what you'd get from the 28 if you used a film back?

Cut to the chase: I have no idea what full frame means. All I know is that this is a lot better than it was before I sent it in in almost every way.
 

venturamike

New Member
Marc,

How long did your upgrade take? I am waiting for a phone call as to when to send mine in for the upgrade. They told me that it should be a week or so turnaround time in Denmark, once it is received. I am looking forward to the improvements as well. Did the capture rate improve?

Thanks!

Michael Terry
 

qnu

Banned
Believe me, look no further:
The "Full frame" part of the H3D is the new HVD90x viewfinder, which, unlike the HV90x finder (no "D"), only shows the sensor area.
That's it.

The HVD90x "Can also be used together with film magazines if 100% composition accuracy is not necessary."
 

fotografz

Active Member
Michael, It took a few months, BUT I sent it in before they were actually doing the upgrades and it included the Holiday time ... which didn't matter because I have a hot swap deal, and got a replacement H2D/39 to use in the interim.

Q.G., this is still a bit wierd don't you think? I mean mine is a H3D/39 now, but has the full viewfinder (HV90x) ... which if there is no other difference, I would much rather have so I can use it with film to see what I'm actually shooting.

I guess the HVD90x would be okay if I only used the camera for digital, and they never go to a full frame sensor.

I need to look into the waist level finder now, which would be helpful for those lower angle shots ... especially in the studio.
 

colin

Member
"I just yesterday received my H3D/39 upgrade.(sent in my H2D/39 for conversion)"
"I am ecstatic with this unexpected improvement in versatility over my H2D/39."

Marc, What were you expecting?

Surely your "conversion" is the same (no more, no less) than an "original" H3D/39.

Is this not what one anticipates if you wish to have an earlier body converted?

It is similar to sending in a Leica II to be converted to a IIIA (as one could in the past). The camera came back looking(other than serial #)just like any other Leica IIIA .
 

fotografz

Active Member
Forum members just answering questions posed by other forum members Jurgen.

Colin, the H2D/39 was a dedicated digital camera, was unable to use a film back and was priced lower than the more versatile CFH/39. The H2D back also could not be used on any other camera. It came bundled on a H2 camera and that was it. It was not set up to use the new 28mm lens either. The H2D/39 camera bundle is now discontinued.

The conversion to a H3D/39 allows use of the back separately on a view camera (connecting cords provided), and also now allows use of a film back (new metal protector CFV type cover for the back provided), and both the back and camera supports the use of the 28mm lens.

The cost of the H2D/39 plus the conversion to a H3D/39 totals considerably less than a new H3D/39.
 
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