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Using GelGelatin Filters with Pro Shade 40676

ngophotographer

New Member
Hi:

When using Gel/Gelatin or Polyester filters with the 40676 Pro Shade, do the filters go directly into the slot in the lens adapter? Or, is there a special mounting/holder to use?

I plan to use both gelatin (Kodak) and polyesters (Lee, Hitech). I assume the size is 75mmx75mm.

Thanks for your help.

Rich
NGOphotographer

PS I read the Pro Shade instructions and The Hasselblad Manual, Sixth Edition but they weren't too helpful in this regard.
 

qnu

Banned
Rich,

The filters do indeed slot into the lens adapter.

There were cardboard mounts available to protect the gel filters, but you do not really need them.
The slot was meant to take thin gels, and is not very wide: about 2 mm, so you may not be able to squeeze in two resin filters.

You are right about the filter size too: it is 75 mm square.
 

gjames52

New Member
40676 Pro Shade, do the filters go directly into the slot in>

Welcome R P:

I have the later pro-shade but I understand they both hold the filters. The gelatin should be placed in a filter holder. The holder is just heavy card stock cut out that folds over the filter and secures the gelatin with a self-stick adhesive. Then you can place it in the slot on your pro-shade.

Hope this is understandable.

Regards:

Gilbert
 

ngophotographer

New Member
Qnu:

Thanks for the information and confirmation.

The slot is pretty thin, so I was wondering how I would fit a gel with cardboard mount on it! [Plus, trying to find 75x75 cardboard mounts is really difficult now!]

Just have to be careful not to scratch the gel putting it in. Thanks again.

Best regards,

Rich
NGOphotographer
 

gjames52

New Member
RP

BTW if you are using wide angle or telephoto lenses you should use a 100mm filters. The 6093T shades will handle them easily and the new 6095VH.

Regards:

Gilbert
 

qnu

Banned
Rich's older (but fine) shade will not take 100 mm filters.

The smaller gels or resins are fine though. They sit in the adapter ring, which itself does not vignet.
So no worries.
 

fotografz

Active Member
This is a case where being Brand loyal may not serve you as well as other professional choices. I switched to Lee Shades quite awhile ago and never looked back.

The system of adapter rings has worked well, including wide angle ones that reverse back on the lens to minimize chances of vignetting. Single or multiple filter slot configurations can be utilized, and sliding grads easily employed. Because of the ring adapters the shade can be used on any camera including the 645H, and 35mm cameras.

Somewhere in my pile of neglected do-dads I have a bunch of the cardboard holders and a slew of filters for the ProShade. I still ocassionally use a 6093T, but since grads are my favorite filters, not very often ... more in the studio when using strobes.
 

ngophotographer

New Member
Marc:

Thanks for your note. FYI, I am a loyal Lee user for my 4x5 and have the B60 adapter for it.
Love the Lee system for ND grads, but polarizers are another story.

I'm trying the Hasselblad shade because I can use polarizers that I already have (B60 & 67mm) with it. With the Lee I have to use the holder, connecting gizmo and the hood - vignetting with 50mm.

The option to use gels (which is nice) allows me to use slight CC red filters and 85 series for warming, etc. However, I will be pulling out the Lee for ND grads ;)

Thanks again for your note.

Best regards,

Rich
NGOphotographer
 

ngophotographer

New Member
Marc:

Thanks again.

Unfortunately, there are several filters that are not available in Lee format, which I like, such as, Moose filter, Singh-Ray Blue-Gold, B+W/Heliopan KR3. I know I can get 81EF combo polarizers in 4x4, but I like very subtle, "like they aren't there" types of effects most of the time.

BTW, I have tried screwing filters into the front of the Lee B60 adapter (its a 67mm thread), but it vignettes on the 50mm with film. Haven't tried it with digital yet.

Thanks again for the comments. This has been valuable as I'm refining my backcountry kit!

Rich
 
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Andrewdyer

Hello Rich and Mark.
Would either or both of you care to comment on why the Lee polarizer is not very good, or is it that you dont like the way it attaches to the filter holder?
It would be good to know as I, just a few weeks ago bought a Lee ND grad set that attaches onto my Nikon and the Hasselblad 503cw via adapters, and also a very expensive polarizer from Lee for this setup.
I have only had a chance to use it once and was fairly happy with the results.
I did find that when rotating it that there was not as much of a discernable difference in the viewfinder compared to what I would see when using a Hoya polarizer on the Nikon.
How have you found it?
Thanks for your comments.
Andrew
 

ngophotographer

New Member
Hi Andrew:

The Lee polarizer is fine from what I know. Polarizers, as with all filtration is a very personal artistic decision. One of my LF buddies uses one and hasn't complained.

The issue for me is that I want a hood and a polarizer most of the time. To do that in Lee you need a couple pieces and for my hassie 50mm that creates vignetting. In addition, I use polarizers that aren't available in 4x4.

I'm all about very compact and lightweight setups for backpacking; so I may over-think and optimize what I'm doing... ;)

Hope this helps.

Rich
NGOphotographer
 
A

Andrewdyer

Thanks for your reply Rich.
I was just curious to find out what other peoples issues might be.
Cheers
Andrew
 

fotografz

Active Member
I don't use it in that manner much. I had a mondo expensive set of B+W Polarizers prior to getting the Lee system, so I never got the Lee Polarizer.

My primary use of the Lee system has been for Grads, and because I shoot mostly people I also Nets. On set I tend to Polarize the offending light not the lens.
 

wbulte

Active Member
So you have large polarising foils for your lights? Does not work for me, unless NASA can bring a *huge* one into orbit in the right position relative to the sun :))

Wilko
 

fotografz

Active Member
" ON SET" Wilco ... as in STUDIO lights ... not sunlight.

That would require a Polarizer that would qualify as a planet : -)
 

captains

New Member
What is the quality difference between the Lee polyester and gel filters? Is the extra price for the gel worth it? Is there any visual difference in the outcome?

TIA
 

wbulte

Active Member
Hehehe.. :) I was joking Marc, I was joking ;-)

But believe it or not, there has been thought in the past to put big reflectors in orbit around our home planet to 'lighten up' parts of the planet. Fortunately sofar that has not happened.

Having read a lot of science fiction books in the past: think about a dual-sun solar system. That would be an interesting photographic challenge.

Wilko
 

qnu

Banned
Yes...

You will certainly know Paul Huf*, Wilko.
One of the things he is remembered to have said is that there is only one sun, in advice to people struggling with too many l&s in the studio.
He was right: two suns will make ugly pictures.

*Paul Huf was the leading advertising and portrait photographer in the Netherlands for many, many years, until he died as the Éminence Grise of dutch photography some 5 years ago.
 

wbulte

Active Member
Hi Q,

Yes, I do remember Paul Huf. People who have seen advertisments from KLM ("Royal Dutch Airlines") most likely have seen some of his work. He worked for them quite a lot. And for Grolsch (the beer brand) advertising too if I am not mistaken.

But he was into much more than advertising, one other job was the Dutch Royal Family photographer.

A Leica shooter if I remember correctly(?). For those of you not familiar with his work: definitely worth checking out.

Wilko
 
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